The Biggest Modern Writer in the World

Appointment to the Order of Canada

Thanks to the Governor General of Canada and the Carol Shields Prize for celebrating me today. Congratulations to my fellow recipients.

Toronto, ON — Susan Swan, award-winning author, journalist and professor, has been appointed as Member of the Order of Canada by Governor General Mary Simon. Established in 1967, the Order of Canada is one of the country’s highest honours and was conferred upon Swan for her contributions to Canadian literature and culture, and for her mentorship of the next generation of writers.

“Receiving the Order of Canada is thrilling for me as a writer and as a Co-Founder of the Carol Shields Prize for Fiction. Women writers hold up half the sky, sometimes even all the sky and the Milky Way too,” shared Swan.

“The Staff and Board of The Carol Shields Prize Foundation are proud of Co-Founder and Board Director Susan Swan. The Order of Canada is a distinguished honour, and Susan is the most deserving recipient not only for her writing, but for her decades of passionate and dedicated work in the service of literature and writers in Canada,” said Alexandra Skoczylas, CEO of The Carol Shields Prize for Fiction.

A prominent figure in Canadian literature, Swan has made significant contributions to the creative industries as an author, journalist, novelist, activist and teacher. Her critically acclaimed works have been published in twenty countries and received numerous honours. These include The Wives of Bath, a finalist for the Guardian Fiction Prize and the Trillium Award, later adapted into a feature film, and The Biggest Modern Woman in the World, which was a finalist for Canada’s Best First Novel Award and the Governor General’s Award for Fiction.

As a former Associate Professor of Humanities at York University, Swan has held a variety of esteemed positions, including Millennial Robarts Chair in Canadian Studies and Chair of The Writers’ Union of Canada.

Since 2012, she has worked towards launching a major prize celebrating women writers, which culminated in the inaugural Carol Shields Prize for Fiction announced in 2020. The inaugural Prize was awarded on May 4, 2023. By putting the work of women writers in the spotlight — and by creating charitable grants and mentorships for marginalized and underrepresented writers — this new annual literary award acknowledges, celebrates and promotes fiction by a wider, more diverse and inclusive group of women and non-binary writers.

Earlier this month, Swan received a lifetime membership in The Writers’ Union of Canada “in recognition of extraordinary contributions to the Union and the lives of Canadian writers.”

Do Big Girls Cry? Six Foot Two Writers Jane Smiley and Susan Swan Compare Notes

Jane Smiley: I think the great pleasure of your book is that it makes you understand what it feels like to exist—to come to terms with who you are, how your body works, what you look like to others, and how that shapes you. Why did you write a memoir about your height?

Susan Swan: I had no intention of writing Big Girls Don’t Cry. Margaret Atwood, who’s a friend, suggested it. I wrote it off as a goofy idea but the more I thought about it, the more I realized my Amazonian size has shaped my life. For many of us, our size is how we pattern ourselves, and its influence affects us psychologically along with other markers like our class and cultural background, our race and our gender identity. This is especially true for women whose bodies are constantly scrutinized and judged in a way men’s bodies aren’t. To be a tall woman is to be a big woman, and to be big is to take up space, a cultural no-no for women of all sizes who are taught early on to cede space while men are encouraged to take up as much room as possible. God forbid, I might get bigger, I told myself when I hit six-foot-two at twelve.

To be a tall woman is to be a big woman, and to be big is to take up space, a cultural no-no for women of all sizes who are taught early on to cede space.

JS: At six foot two, you and I are in the 99th percentile of women in most Western countries. How did you feel about your body as a girl?

SS: When I grew up in the late 1950s and early 1960s children laughed at me on the street, and a boy burst into tears when he drew me on a blind date. Another teenage boy suggested I should get four inches cut off my thigh bones, so I didn’t have to join the circus like Anna Swan, the Victorian giantess who exhibited with P.T Barnum in New York. Interestingly, when I was a reporter in my twenties, I interviewed a formerly six-foot-one woman who had that very operation in the 1960s because she was so traumatized by her height. The Toronto surgeon who performed the surgery said he did it as act of compassion. No medical doctor would say something like that now about a tall woman. 

But don’t forget in those days the Guinness Book of World Records defined a giantess as a woman six-foot-two and over. In the 1958 Hollywood movie, Attack of the Fifty Foot Woman, a giantess played by Allison Hayes squashed men like bugs until the town sheriff killed her. The movie was a metaphor for men’s fear of big women and that subtext wasn’t lost on me. Mothers used to say, isn’t it too bad you’re so tall when you’re a girl. Did you have those reactions when you hit six foot two by the age of fourteen? 

JS: Not really. For one thing, I didn’t have to put up with teasing. My mother did take me to some doctor with the idea of shortening me, but the procedure sounded so painful that I refused. I also thought that my hands would be down by my ankles if they shortened my legs, and so I would look even weirder. I kept me eye on Verushka (a model) and Vanessa Redgrave (an actress), and I thought there was something independent and graceful about both of them. My mother spent years as the Women’s Page editor of a St. Louis newspaper, so she had her eye on the models, too. She even took me to someone to see if I could be a model, but whoever it was said that my hips were too narrow. But my two real passions were reading and horseback riding, and both of those had nothing to do with height.

SS: It sounds like your mother was more worried about your height than you were. And you didn’t have a giantess lurking in your family background like I did. I was deeply affected by Anna Swan’s story. She was my childhood bogey woman because she stood seven-foot-six in her stocking feet and weighed 418 pounds which is why Barnum billed her as The Biggest Modern Woman of the World. After she left Barnum’s American Museum on Broadway, Anna and her husband the Kentucky Giant, Martin Van Buren Bates, travelled with American circuses. Anna looked attractive in her photos. She was said to be intelligent and enjoyed books and learning. 

Nevertheless, I was terrified I would grow up to be too tall like her. My country doctor father and his medical texts didn’t help either. I used to sneak looks at them when nobody was around. As a child, I was horrified by the naked photographs of women and men who suffered from genetic disorders that to my kid’s mind made them look like ogres in a gothic fairy tale. There were several pictures of people suffering from gigantism, a defect that makes the pituitary gland produce excess growth hormone. Sometimes the hormone also causes their bones to thicken.

JS: Are you related to Anna Swan?

SS: I’ve researched my ancestry several times, but no family connection has come up. While I was writing a novel about her life, I did interview Anna’s descendants, and they had interesting stories to tell about Anna sitting on the floor, so her head was level with her siblings when they ate their meals of crowdie or porridge. They were poor farmers. But the Nova Scotian Swans are short people who had no connection to my branch of the Swans who are tall except that our families both come from Scotland. Experts say now that Anna likely suffered the effects of an excess growth hormone from her pituitary gland.

JS: You grew up in a small Presbyterian town in Canada where social rules, especially for women, were very strict. Is that why your book uses the metaphor of breaking out of boxes that held you back?

SS: Most of us grow up inside political and psychological frameworks that can restrict and confine us instead of helping us grow into our best selves. A conservative, rule bound Fifties culture like the one that socialized me had lots of restrictive boxes, the Go Along Box, the Traditional Female Box, the Spinster Box, the Dutiful Daughter Box. You get the idea. Canadian culture then was concerned with appearances and not blotting your copy book, as the expression went. 

JS: You were young during the 1970s second wave of feminism and the constraints women faced then. Why did you say some forms of feminism can become another box?

SS: I wouldn’t be anywhere, and neither would you without feminism and its support of women’s rights which are being severely challenged right now in the US. What I’m saying in my memoir is that feminist moralizing can turn into a box if the ideology becomes too narrow and rigid. In the 1970s, women who publicly admitted to liking and desiring men were sometimes dismissed as lipstick feminists even though they, too, were rebelling against the patriarchal attitudes and behaviour that hurt women. So, two of my friends in the performance art scene and I started exchanging diaries by snail mail to talk about our obsession with men and our sexuality. 

A screenplay I wrote then based on the diaries was called A Treatise on Ethics: It’s Not All Porn. While exchanging our diaries, we concocted a revenge mission we referred to as The Assignments. The idea was to punish predatory men by seducing them and then humiliating them. We each did one assignment and that produced sad, comic and unfortunate outcomes, so we dropped the project. We ended up feeling petty and mean, and our mission didn’t change the political situation women like us faced. I get the sense that you had fewer boxes to break out of growing up in St. Louis. Was that the case?

JS: There was something about St. Louis, at least where I grew up, that was easygoing and accepting, maybe as a result of all of the cultures that developed there because of its position, more or less, where the south, north, east, and west come together. My family was non-judgmental. But I also think I would have been diagnosed with Attention Deficit Hyperactivity Disorder if they had had that diagnosis at the time. One of my early report cards—I think fourth grade—said, “She only does what she wants to do.” I wandered around our neighborhood, was very curious, and I felt safe. As I got taller, I felt sorry for the shorter girls, because I thought maybe they were in more danger. I think that I attributed my failure to attract a boyfriend to my glasses, my mouth-breathing, and the fact that I was skinny as a rail. But that was okay with me, because I was more interested in books and horses.

SS: I also felt safer and threw several men who assaulted me against the wall. My size gave me an advantage most women don’t have. Books were an escape hatch for me too. I read constantly, walking to school, at night under the bed covers with a flashlight, after I finished my work in class. I went to the town library every couple of days and read all the books I could get my hands on including Wuthering Heights and Lolita, which came to our home because my mother was a member of the Book of the Month Club so popular in the late 1950s. My mother hid the then shocking novel Peyton Place by Grace Metalious under the cotton batten in her jewelry drawer, but I found it anyway and read it too. I also fantasized about riding horses, and as a kid, I did ride a few but they secretly scared the daylights out of me. I found the courage to be different later than you.

JS: What was going on with you as a young woman? You started out as a journalist with ambitions to write fiction in the 1960’s; became a performance artist and single mother in the 1970’s and then a novelist and professor who moved to New York City for a while to further your literary career.

SS: My memoir is like a quest novel because I was searching for a place where I fit, and each new environment gave me something I needed to complete my quest. Margaret Atwood’s suggestion made me realize my life had followed the pattern set by Anna Swan who spent most of her forty-four years searching for a home that would accommodate her size. She never found it, even when she and her giant husband gave up the circus and retired to Seville, Ohio. Sadly, her two babies died. At the end of my novel about her, I have her say: “I was born to be measured, and I do not fit in anywhere. Perhaps heaven will have more room.” Because I didn’t face the same debilitating obstacles as Anna, I learned to accept myself and my body in a way that was never possible for her. Don’t bother trying to fit the gender script I told myself—be your own norm. How did you handle not fitting the gender script?

JS: When I was in high school, I wasn’t drawn to any of the boys, and my mother didn’t give me any sort of sex-education info (I had to ask my roommate about that when I got to college, and she was very informative). Because of the ADHD, I didn’t pay attention to traditional expectations, and, in addition to that, my mother and her sisters had jobs, were athletic, and were very independent. I was allowed to do pretty much whatever I wanted to do, and my real pleasure was watching the other kids and eavesdropping.

However, once my roommate (who had a boyfriend) told me what she knew, I got more interested in finding a boyfriend, which wasn’t easy if you went to a woman’s college. I tried mixers and met a few guys, but that was when I realized that I wanted my boyfriend to be taller than I was. In December of ’69, Yale invited some Vassar girls to come to New Haven for a week and go to classes to experiment with coeducation. I enjoyed it, and then, in the Yale Daily News, I saw a picture of the center on the basketball team, on one knee, next to a ball, and smiling. He was so handsome that I couldn’t resist looking for him. Someone told me his college and room number, and I went and knocked on the door. When he opened it, I said, “Hi! I’m your new girlfriend!” and walked into the room. And it turned out that he hadn’t dated anyone, either, so it was the perfect way for both of us to come to understand relationships and love. We both loved travel, history classes, and making jokes, and I loved the way that he had accustomed himself to being 6’10”. But let’s go back to books for a minute? Is there a relationship between writing and fiction and unusual height?

Being unusually tall makes you feel set apart because mostly everybody else sees someone with the same weight, height and coloring every day.

SS: Why don’t you answer that question first? I’m curious to hear what you think.

JS: I think the relationship is between fiction writing and simply being unusual. Almost all of the writers I loved in high school and college—Dickens, George Eliot, Jane Austen, Agatha Christie—were outsiders in some way, and so they became observant, and then curious, and then eager to find some way to sort through what they were observing and turn it into something logical and understandable. One of the main things you learn when you start reading and then writing is that each writer is unique, and that gives you permission to investigate your own unique qualities. And then it all gets more interesting, and you can’t stop.

SS: I agree. A lot of writers I know, including myself, felt like outsiders growing up. Being unusually tall makes you feel set apart because mostly everybody else sees someone with the same weight, height and coloring every day. But I didn’t know any people who looked like me and the fact that I couldn’t see myself reflected back to me in the world was a strange, lonely feeling.

JS: How did your time living as a writer affect your quest?

SS: I lived in New York off and on through most of the 1990s when American male novelists like Norman Mailer, Jay McInerney and Bret Easton Ellis achieved rock star status and my friend Kathy Acker was writing her performance art style of novels. I was in Aphrodite Mode. (No, it’s not a fashion account on Instagram.) It meant putting pleasure and fun on an equal footing with my work and I flitted from man to man without any intention of settling down. In those years, Gordon Lish was an important editor at Knopf encouraging his coterie of writers to place themselves in jeopardy in their stories. Many of my New York writer friends took his class. He would stop them reading their work out loud if they began to bore him and order them to go back to their last provocative sentence and start again. 

The example of Lish and many of the literary people in New York encouraged me to drop a leftover notion from my Presbyterian childhood that making a show of yourself was somehow embarrassing and disgraceful. Why did it take you so long to understand, I wondered. Get out there and perform yourself. My size was a bonus not a drawback. That’s one of the big gifts that America has given to the world—celebrate who you are and what makes you unique. Unfortunately, that gift has been tarnished by the Trump administration’s narrow definition of who an American is.

JS: You also lived in Greece. How was that part of your search to find a home as a writer and a woman?

SS: I stumbled on Greece by accident when I was invited to teach a writing workshop on the island of Skyros and was struck by the way the Greeks accepted their bodies. They didn’t need to look like movie stars or online influencers to enjoy the physical pleasures of daily life in Greece. After the workshop, I met the late feminist theologian Carol Christ who was my height of six-two. I went on her tour of Minoan shrines and was impressed by the groundbreaking feminist scholarship of Christ and the late Marija Gimbutas, an archeologist who believed these ancient sites were places where Minoans worshipped a goddess deity. Christ’s books describe embodied spirituality which involves an understanding of the body as the portal to spiritual wisdom. I personally don’t believe in a male or female god, but it was liberating to discover another way of thinking about our bodies instead of the traditional Christian belief that the body, along with physical reality, is something we need to escape. Carol Christ’s philosophy encourages people to inhabit their bodies, and in her later books, she said that anyone, no matter who they are, can represent the divine.

JS: What did Greece teach you about living inside a big female body?

SS: Let me leave you with a story. I went with the late Carol Christ to a local hot spring on the island of Lesbos where naked Greek women of all sizes and shapes and ages were bathing together and having fun, and for a moment, I saw them without judging their bodies. It was as if I was looking at them in the same accepting way that I might look at a beautiful garden or a pleasing grove of olive trees. Now that’s progress, isn’t it? 

JS: Amen to that.

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SusanSwan is a novelist and non-fiction writer, a professor emerita, and a recipient of the Order of Canada. Her books include The Wives of BathThe Biggest Modern Woman of the WorldWhat Casanova Told MeThe Western Light and Stupid Boys Are Good to Relax With. She is also co-founder of the Carol Shields Prize for Fiction, the largest literary prize for women and non-binary writers in the English language publishing world.

JaneSmiley is the author of multiple works of fiction and nonfiction, including Perestroika in ParisA Thousand AcresLucky, and Thirteen Ways of Looking at the Novel. She has won several awards, including the Pulitzer Prize for A Thousand Acres.

Big Girls Don’t Cry – Q&A with Beacon Press

Susan Swan has never fit inside the boxes that other people have made for her—the daughter box, the wife box, the mother box, the femininity box. Instead, throughout her richly lived, independent decades, she has carved her own path and lived with the consequences.

In her revealing and revelatory memoir, Big Girls Don’t Cry, Swan shares the key moments of her life. As a child in a small Ontario town, she was defined by her size—attracting ridicule because she was six-foot-two by the age of twelve. She left her marriage to be a single mother and a fiction writer in the edgy, underground art scene of 1970s Toronto. In her 40s, she embraced the new freedom of the Aphrodite years. Despite the costs to her relationships, Swan kept searching for the place she fit, living in the literary circles of New York while seeking pleasure and spiritual wisdom in Greece, and culminating in the hard-won experience of true self-acceptance in her seventies. Beacon Press sales and marketing coordinator Frankie Karnedy caught up with Swan to chat about it and about taking up space.

Frankie Karnedy: Big Girls Don’t Cry is your first memoir, but your novels have also drawn from your personal experiences. The Biggest Modern Woman of the World’s giantess Anna Swan is mentioned by name in your memoir, and The Wives of Bath is set in an all-girls boarding school much like the one you attended in your youth. Did it feel different writing directly about your own life and experiences?

Susan Swan: With the exception of my novel about a fraudster like Canada’s Conrad Black, you’re correct to say I’ve drawn from my life experiences for my fiction. Maybe that’s why it didn’t feel strange to write a memoir, a form that distills and dramatizes like a novel. And I had to find a trajectory through my story the way I do when I’m writing a novel. After Margaret Atwood suggested I write about my height, I realized that I was just like my literary character in my first novel, the real-life Victorian giantess Anna Swan, who exhibited with P. T. Barnum. Anna spent her life looking for a home that would accommodate her extraordinary size and never found it, and I have spent my life as a woman and a writer looking for the place where I fit. My search was more rewarding than hers.

FK: In the time since your childhood, tall girls have begun to “take up space”—as you may put it—in pop culture with movies such as Tall Girl, celebrities like Michelle Obama, and now memoirs like yours. What sort of takeaways do you think twelve-year-old you would have if she was growing up in this time period instead of in the 1950s?

SS: When I was a girl, the cut-off point for acceptance seemed to be just below six feet. To be six-foot-two at twelve like me was considered unfortunate. Thanks to the popularity of supermodels, that’s not as true today, but I suspect if I grew to be six-three or six-four now, I would still get put-downs and still be called names. But I have the comebacks I wrote for my daughter when she grew to six feet, so I would be able to put anyone who insulted me in their place.

Unfortunately, people often don’t realize (or don’t want to realize) that teasing others about their size can be hurtful. They see someone who is the same height, weight, and coloring as them every day, so they don’t understand that it’s a strange and lonely feeling if you don’t see anyone else in the world who looks like you.

FK: Your friend Margaret Atwood wrote in her foreword for Big Girls Don’t Cry that she encouraged you to write this memoir. Are there any other women writers who encouraged the writing process for this book, or whom you drew inspiration from as you were writing?

SS: It’s been a thrill to meet a number of impressive young women novelists and short story writers through my work on the Carol Shields Prize for Fiction, writers like Talia Kolluri, Daphne Palasi Andreades, Alexis Shotkin, and Fatimah Asghar. But, right now, I take my inspiration from women writers in Canada and the US like Sheila Heti, Claudia Dey, Miranda July, Maggie Nelson, Sarah Manguso, Nell Zink, and Rachel Kushner. They’re writing full out about their lives as women and writers and damn the consequences. I admire how free and brave they are in their work about subjects like selfishness, sexuality, and disillusionment with the conventional paths women are supposed to take. The fact that they’re able to do this so well and be celebrated for it tells me there’s a lot right about our literary culture at a time when our political culture leaves a lot to be desired.

FK: The first part of your memoir is shaped by social and thematic “boxes,” such as the “dutiful daughter,” that you tried to fit yourself into or break out of. What is your advice to women who may feel trapped inside their own boxes on how they can try to break free?

SS: Asking questions and coming up with answers is the key to getting out of boxes or frameworks that don’t fit who you are. Questions like, Why is this box holding me back? Why does it feel so uncomfortable? What is lacking for me in this framework in which I’m currently living? Once you name a problem, you can start to solve it.

FK: What message do you hope readers will take away from your memoir?

SS: Remember that making decisions that seem outrageous and even downright dangerous for you at the time may seem perfectly sensible and the right choice when you have become the person you set out to be.

About the Authors 

Susan Swan is a novelist and nonfiction writer, a professor emerita, and a recipient of the Order of Canada. Her books include The Wives of BathThe Biggest Modern Woman of the WorldWhat Casanova Told MeThe Western Light, and Stupid Boys Are Good to Relax With. She is also cofounder of the Carol Shields Prize for Fiction, the largest literary prize for women and nonbinary writers in Canada and the United States.

Frankie Karnedy is the sales and marketing coordinator at Beacon Press. She joined Beacon in 2022 after graduating from Johns Hopkins University with a BA in Writing Seminars and English. Previously, she interned at a literary agency and worked with children and teens at her local library. When she’s not trying to get to the bottom of her endless TBR list, she enjoys taking dance classes and baking fun desserts.

Big Girls Don’t Cry – Q&A with Beacon Press

Susan Swan has never fit inside the boxes that other people have made for her—the daughter box, the wife box, the mother box, the femininity box. Instead, throughout her richly lived, independent decades, she has carved her own path and lived with the consequences.

In her revealing and revelatory memoir, Big Girls Don’t Cry, Swan shares the key moments of her life. As a child in a small Ontario town, she was defined by her size—attracting ridicule because she was six-foot-two by the age of twelve. She left her marriage to be a single mother and a fiction writer in the edgy, underground art scene of 1970s Toronto. In her 40s, she embraced the new freedom of the Aphrodite years. Despite the costs to her relationships, Swan kept searching for the place she fit, living in the literary circles of New York while seeking pleasure and spiritual wisdom in Greece, and culminating in the hard-won experience of true self-acceptance in her seventies. Beacon Press sales and marketing coordinator Frankie Karnedy caught up with Swan to chat about it and about taking up space.

Frankie Karnedy: Big Girls Don’t Cry is your first memoir, but your novels have also drawn from your personal experiences. The Biggest Modern Woman of the World’s giantess Anna Swan is mentioned by name in your memoir, and The Wives of Bath is set in an all-girls boarding school much like the one you attended in your youth. Did it feel different writing directly about your own life and experiences?

Susan Swan: With the exception of my novel about a fraudster like Canada’s Conrad Black, you’re correct to say I’ve drawn from my life experiences for my fiction. Maybe that’s why it didn’t feel strange to write a memoir, a form that distills and dramatizes like a novel. And I had to find a trajectory through my story the way I do when I’m writing a novel. After Margaret Atwood suggested I write about my height, I realized that I was just like my literary character in my first novel, the real-life Victorian giantess Anna Swan, who exhibited with P. T. Barnum. Anna spent her life looking for a home that would accommodate her extraordinary size and never found it, and I have spent my life as a woman and a writer looking for the place where I fit. My search was more rewarding than hers.

FK: In the time since your childhood, tall girls have begun to “take up space”—as you may put it—in pop culture with movies such as Tall Girl, celebrities like Michelle Obama, and now memoirs like yours. What sort of takeaways do you think twelve-year-old you would have if she was growing up in this time period instead of in the 1950s?

SS: When I was a girl, the cut-off point for acceptance seemed to be just below six feet. To be six-foot-two at twelve like me was considered unfortunate. Thanks to the popularity of supermodels, that’s not as true today, but I suspect if I grew to be six-three or six-four now, I would still get put-downs and still be called names. But I have the comebacks I wrote for my daughter when she grew to six feet, so I would be able to put anyone who insulted me in their place.

Unfortunately, people often don’t realize (or don’t want to realize) that teasing others about their size can be hurtful. They see someone who is the same height, weight, and coloring as them every day, so they don’t understand that it’s a strange and lonely feeling if you don’t see anyone else in the world who looks like you.

FK: Your friend Margaret Atwood wrote in her foreword for Big Girls Don’t Cry that she encouraged you to write this memoir. Are there any other women writers who encouraged the writing process for this book, or whom you drew inspiration from as you were writing?

SS: It’s been a thrill to meet a number of impressive young women novelists and short story writers through my work on the Carol Shields Prize for Fiction, writers like Talia Kolluri, Daphne Palasi Andreades, Alexis Shotkin, and Fatimah Asghar. But, right now, I take my inspiration from women writers in Canada and the US like Sheila Heti, Claudia Dey, Miranda July, Maggie Nelson, Sarah Manguso, Nell Zink, and Rachel Kushner. They’re writing full out about their lives as women and writers and damn the consequences. I admire how free and brave they are in their work about subjects like selfishness, sexuality, and disillusionment with the conventional paths women are supposed to take. The fact that they’re able to do this so well and be celebrated for it tells me there’s a lot right about our literary culture at a time when our political culture leaves a lot to be desired.

FK: The first part of your memoir is shaped by social and thematic “boxes,” such as the “dutiful daughter,” that you tried to fit yourself into or break out of. What is your advice to women who may feel trapped inside their own boxes on how they can try to break free?

SS: Asking questions and coming up with answers is the key to getting out of boxes or frameworks that don’t fit who you are. Questions like, Why is this box holding me back? Why does it feel so uncomfortable? What is lacking for me in this framework in which I’m currently living? Once you name a problem, you can start to solve it.

FK: What message do you hope readers will take away from your memoir?

SS: Remember that making decisions that seem outrageous and even downright dangerous for you at the time may seem perfectly sensible and the right choice when you have become the person you set out to be.

About the Authors 

Susan Swan is a novelist and nonfiction writer, a professor emerita, and a recipient of the Order of Canada. Her books include The Wives of BathThe Biggest Modern Woman of the WorldWhat Casanova Told MeThe Western Light, and Stupid Boys Are Good to Relax With. She is also cofounder of the Carol Shields Prize for Fiction, the largest literary prize for women and nonbinary writers in Canada and the United States.

Frankie Karnedy is the sales and marketing coordinator at Beacon Press. She joined Beacon in 2022 after graduating from Johns Hopkins University with a BA in Writing Seminars and English. Previously, she interned at a literary agency and worked with children and teens at her local library. When she’s not trying to get to the bottom of her endless TBR list, she enjoys taking dance classes and baking fun desserts.

How do you tell the difference between an American and a Canadian?  Depends who wants to keep the largest undefended border in the world intact.

When I taught a course at York University on Canadian culture, my first year students would claim that Canada wasn’t different from America. So, I’d tell them the joke about Canadians and Americans that was making the rounds when America invaded Iraq in 2003.

An American border guard stopped a man with a dual citizenship passport to ask about his nationality. The man explained that he was a citizen of Canada and the US. “You can’t be both,” the border guard insisted. “Which one are you? American or Canadian?” The man repeated that he was a citizen of both countries.

The border guard grew increasingly frustrated. Finally, he had an idea. “If your country went to war, what would you do?” the guard asked. The man replied: “It depends on the war, and what it was about.” The guard was thrilled. “I knew it,” he said. “You’re Canadian.”

The border guard had a point. Canadians are skeptics and Americans tend to be well, more gullible. You could say our cultural differences divide us into scoffers and doubters versus dogmatists and true believers.

When George W. Bush wanted Canada to join the American war on Iraq, Jean Chrétien, our Canadian Prime Minister then, said he wasn’t sending Canadian troops into combat because he didn’t believe Iraq was hiding weapons of mass destruction. Many Canadians didn’t believe it either. And as everyone knows now, it turns out there weren’t.

Most Canadians I know admire America’s entrepreneurial spirit and enjoy American music, their books and films and television. Some Canadians like me even have Yankee ancestors who came over on pilgrim ships. But we’re far too skeptical to take Americans as seriously as Americans take themselves.

Consider the hype about American exceptionalism.

Get over yourselves, we tell each other when you’re not listening. How can America be exceptional when the cost of its healthcare system per capita is higher than anywhere else in the world? And yet American life expectancy, according to the World Bank, had a global ranking of 49th in 2022, and Canada’s life expectancy ranks 20th after Israel, the Cayman Islands and Iceland.                                                        

Canada has universal healthcare, and we’re proud it’s a human right.

That means we don’t shoot health insurance executives down on the street over our medical bills. Nor is health care our number one cause of bankruptcy, which is the case for American families, according to the American Bankruptcy Institute.

Unlike America’s underfunded public education system, ours isn’t tax based. That may be why Canada’s public education system ranks sixth in the world, according to U.S. News and World Report, while America’s is thirteenth.

Then there are America’s ultra-liberal gun laws, its mass shootings and abortion bans.

In Canada, abortion is a legal medical procedure but in the US, nineteen states ban abortion or restrict the procedure earlier in pregnancy than the standard set by Roe v. Wade overturned by the US Supreme Court in 2022. As for mass shootings, more than 488 took place across the US in 2024, according to the Gun Violence Archive. According to CNN, last year in the US saw eighty-three school shootings. Twenty-seven were on college campuses and fifty-six were in schools with kindergarten to grade twelve.

The American dream isn’t doing so well these days either. The World Economic Forum puts Denmark in first place for upward mobility. Canada is number six, and the US is a laggardly 27th. Fast-rising wealth inequality is higher in the United States than in almost any other developed country.

We’ve often heard the American homily about George Washington admitting he cut down the cherry tree because he refused to tell a lie. Yet president-elect Donald Trump is a serial liar who falsely claims that Canada owes the US $200 billion a year in trade exports.

All of these questions lead us to ask another: when Trump muses about Canada becoming the 51st state, what’s in it for us? Lousy healthcare? Loss of reproductive rights? Unsafe schools?

So, may I suggest we leave the largest undefended border in the world intact? And while we’re at it, can we drop the 49th parallel and adopt a more equitable dividing line instead? Give us all of the Great Lakes along with upper state New York, Maine, New Hampshire and Vermont. We’ll also take Wisconsin, Pennsylvania and Minnesota too.

That’s fair, isn’t it? Because there’s one thing we’ve learned as your neighbour — if you don’t ask, you don’t get.

Article originally published on The Toronto Star – read on their website at https://www.thestar.com/opinion/contributors/how-do-you-tell-the-difference-between-an-american-and-a-canadian-depends-who-wants/article_cf4c766c-cf72-11ef-b9f0-6b4f53a2d7b6.html

Live The Questions – Q&A for Big Girls Don’t Cry: A Memoir of Taking Up Space

The Carol Shields Prize for Fiction (CSPF): We are so happy to be doing the cover reveal for your memoir Big Girls Don’t Cry: A Memoir of Taking Up Space. Was it hard to get the right cover? What inspired the image of lemons?

Susan Swan: Covers are like posters for your book. If you don’t get it right, fewer people will buy it, so that’s why editors and writers sweat over what works and what doesn’t. One writer I know went through 25 different covers before they were satisfied. That’s unusual but you get the idea. My memoir is about a big woman writer (me) coming to terms with difference and taking up space so the cover had to suggest something original instead of predictable images of tall female bodies that don’t quite fit the book cover. I wrote a novel about the real life giantess Anna Swan and a lot of covers for this novel show images like that. So we wanted to come up with something new. I’ll leave it to you to figure out what the pink lemon means.

CSPF: How different is writing a memoir from writing a novel?

Susan: Not as different as you might think. Both forms dramatize and distill, so you need to write actual scenes instead of reciting a litany of events. I followed the same writing process that I use for a novel. Make notes; dictate a scene into my cell phone based on my notes; create a word document and revise endlessly. The big difference is the detailed way lawyers will check over your manuscript to ensure you aren’t compromising someone’s privacy. Although it’s rare, some novelists have been sued for defamation. Memoirs can be court cases waiting to happen.


CSPF: You said Big Girls Don’t Cry is about coming to terms with differences. Can you talk a little bit about that?

Susan: I was six foot two at twelve in the 1950s when women were supposed to be small and not heard. Things are somewhat better but very tall women still remain outside the norm. The novelist Jane Smiley recently pointed out to me that she and I are in the 99th percentile of North American women. We are one in 3000, in other words, and that means that others see us differently, and we see ourselves differently.

In the 1960s, I interviewed Femmie Smith, who used to sleep in a crib to try in vain to stop herself from growing, and who had four inches surgically removed from her thigh bones hoping it would make her more feminine. The Toronto doctor who performed the operation said he did it because she had been severely traumatized by her height of six foot two. Nowadays, a number of short men will request leg lengthening surgeries because they’re called derogatory names like “garden gnomes”, and short women say they are treated like children by their office mates. All these stories are in the memoir.


CSPF: Did you have help from other women writers with this book?

Susan:  My friend Margaret Atwood suggested I write about my height and she read some very early rough drafts. At first, I dismissed it as a dumb idea but the more I thought about it, the more I realized my size had affected me powerfully without me being aware of it.

Early on, it made me feel I wasn’t feminine enough, and when store clerks would mistake me for a man (which still happens if they can’t see my face), I would just want to crumple up and die. As I got older, I learned height can be a dramatic tool that you can use to your advantage, which is why most giants become entertainers. If people are going to stare at you anyway, why not ask them to pay for doing it?

CSPF:  Earlier you mentioned your 1983 novel, The Biggest Modern Woman of the World. Readers must often wonder whether there are any familial connections between you and the real-life Anna Swan, the Nova Scotian “giantess” you wrote a novel about. Is there a link?

Susan: I’ve researched our backgrounds and, aside from our mostly Scottish ethnicity, nothing has come up. But I knew about her when I was twelve and I felt terrified that I might grow up to be a giantess like her and have to join the circus, as a teenage boyfriend once joked. So my height always had a shadow side that I didn’t fully understand until I wrote Big Girls Don’t Cry.

CSPF: What do you think people will find surprising about your memoir?

Susan: The idea that body size is a factor in shaping our identities like race, gender, class, and cultural background. Many of us, especially women, have insecurities about our bodies, but we may not realize just how much that makes us who we are. 

“Speaking as a fellow oddball, I think that this is the best book about coming to terms with your differences from the normespecially for womenthat I’ve read. It’s insightful, honest, and adept. Definitely, one of a kind.” 


—Jane Smiley, Pulitzer Prize Winner

Memoir Cover Reveal

An exclusive first look at the cover of my new memoir, Big Girls Don’t Cry: A Memoir of Taking Up Space with a Foreword by Margaret Atwood, releasing May 2025 with HarperCollins Canada and Beacon Press!

A memoir about what it means to defy expectations as a woman, a mother, and an artist, examining the expectations of women across generations using the lens of my unusual height as a metaphor for how women are expected not to take up space in the world. This book is for readers of Joan Didion and Gloria Steinem and listeners of the podcast Wiser than Me.

To learn more about my upcoming book, visit this link for an exclusive Q&A with the Carol Shields Prize for Fiction about the differences between fiction and memoir and coming to terms with the differences that shape who we are.

Living the Questions: Should You Have Children if You Want to Write?

Years ago, a science-fiction writer named Judith Merrill told me she couldn’t write after her children left home.

Without the structure children imposed on her day, she was lost.

My daughter Sam transformed my day too. In order to raise her and write fiction I had to learn to say no to other people’s expectations.

Her birth was the start of my creative life.

Living the Questions: What Advice Gives Writers Confidence?

Ignore the advice to write about what you know.

Write about what obsesses you and what you know will transform every word you say. Why? Because what you know will come into play naturally and that’s the best way to write.   

Susan Swan and the writer David McFadden demonstrate how you throw a horse shoe. With confidence, of course.

Living the Questions: Where Do Writers Live?

Anywhere that’s cheap.

Writing is a lifestyle and luckily, it has perks. People often rent to writers at a discount because writers are quiet. (Well, most writers.) That’s how it was for me at the Hotel Chelsea when Jerry Weinstein ran the desk. There’s a Jerry Weinstein for every writer if you keep an eye out. Look around and see.

Susan Swan in her discounted room at the Hotel Chelsea in the nineties.

Living the Questions: How Do Writers Make a Living?

This new series on the blog is inspired by the poet Ranier Maria Rilke, who wrote in a letter to a toiling poet:

Be patient towards all that is unsolved in your heart and try to love the questions themselves. Live the questions now. Perhaps you will find them gradually, without noticing it, live along some distant day into the answer.”

A writer’s life is filled with frustrations. There’s writing and there’s making money. How do you do both?

One year I earned $160,000 from a book to film deal and not a cent the next. I made the writing life work by having one reliable source of income and freelancing the rest.

Below are a series of photos taken by Irene Grainger. The theme of the photographs is the frustrations of the writing life.

The photos are by Irene Grainger, taken for a performance piece in the 1970s.
About to pack it in.
Packing it in.

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